tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070917680632622858.post453636684296231672..comments2024-03-24T15:26:36.890+10:00Comments on Paper Ponderings: Thursday Thoughts...Fiona Dempsterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09275413906419343228noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070917680632622858.post-50534976309922475832012-07-08T05:58:53.351+10:002012-07-08T05:58:53.351+10:00aside from the matter of influence, what jo just m...aside from the matter of influence, what jo just mentioned, a profound transcendent synchronicity really does seem to exist. a mystery that hints at truths beyond our understanding, truths that connect us like patti mentioned.anca grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02276860638894976324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070917680632622858.post-84473257269313947232012-07-07T17:58:56.785+10:002012-07-07T17:58:56.785+10:00So true Jo! One of the big issues for us in this t...So true Jo! One of the big issues for us in this time I think is that we have access to so many images and artists we would never have seen before; that the influence thing gets a bit trickier. I am sure there are also incomprehensible connections...Gow ell.Fiona Dempsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09275413906419343228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070917680632622858.post-2242240596316117682012-07-07T17:56:28.701+10:002012-07-07T17:56:28.701+10:00Hi G/TT - that's another way of seeing it isn&...Hi G/TT - that's another way of seeing it isn't it? If the intent is to re-create or make something like that, then yes that's not good. If we make or create something that is similar but with no knowledge of a previous piece, than that should be fine as well. I think for me with the circle book it was that having been a student; the perception would shave been that I had copied even tho I don't think I did; and I felt the would not be good for my reputation. I do think there are lots of folk with similar aesthetics, likes and approaches, so there will always be some stuff that is close to anothers - there has to be!Fiona Dempsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09275413906419343228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070917680632622858.post-34839075105054771632012-07-07T17:53:12.976+10:002012-07-07T17:53:12.976+10:00Hi Patti - a thought-provoking response! I think ...Hi Patti - a thought-provoking response! I think we are all connected across time and disciplines and experiences. So yes we must be influenced. I sometimes think of it like a venn diagram - when the overlap in a piece of work or a style say is so large that they are almost one and the same; then clearly there is copying. If the overlap is a little bit it's much more about influence isn't it? One for me to ponder for a long time yet I expect.Fiona Dempsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09275413906419343228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070917680632622858.post-80927747727313930692012-07-07T17:51:00.039+10:002012-07-07T17:51:00.039+10:00Hi Stegata - I think he was quite wise! Once more ...Hi Stegata - I think he was quite wise! Once more we touch on fine lines and that is truly at the heart of it all isn't it? Shades of grey and subtle interpretations make it oh so difficult at times. I know I find myself going over this topic time and time again. Go wellFiona Dempsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09275413906419343228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070917680632622858.post-57598620033853125422012-07-07T17:49:12.933+10:002012-07-07T17:49:12.933+10:00So many fine lines Donna- and sometimes quite broa...So many fine lines Donna- and sometimes quite broad ones that people stomp all over in a horrible way. I think the truth has to lie in the middle somewhere and that we must all seek to create our own work in our own way, not stealing or copying, but reflecting differently perhaps.Fiona Dempsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09275413906419343228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070917680632622858.post-85232045615901137102012-07-07T17:48:02.631+10:002012-07-07T17:48:02.631+10:00Hi Annie - I think they possibly are as well. Took...Hi Annie - I think they possibly are as well. Took me a while (musical vacuum) to work out where you were headed - but I love it! Fabulous that the images are seen as actual music this way or that...Fiona Dempsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09275413906419343228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070917680632622858.post-33697149940856439782012-07-07T17:47:09.798+10:002012-07-07T17:47:09.798+10:00There are so many fine lines in this topic aren...There are so many fine lines in this topic aren't there Robyn? The copying thing is just totally wrong, but the influencing things is so much harder to deal with. I know I am influenced by things and I try really hard to then make sure I make my own work with whatever it was that caught my eye - never a direct link.Fiona Dempsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09275413906419343228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070917680632622858.post-18442461179188760502012-07-07T06:54:03.774+10:002012-07-07T06:54:03.774+10:00If people didn't have the same idea at the sam...If people didn't have the same idea at the same time then how come so much in the way of medical research, and techno stuff, happens simultaneaously on opposite sides of the world? Perhaps we are connected on some incomprehensible plane.Jo Murrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09025838373008865611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070917680632622858.post-41489721386854831522012-07-07T06:00:20.105+10:002012-07-07T06:00:20.105+10:00I think for me perhaps the key distinction between...I think for me perhaps the key distinction between copying and simply making use of influences is in the intention as much as the subtle differences introduced by the individual artist. Every once in a while I see an old black and white photograph that not only closely resembles my style but looks exactly like something I've done and I wonder - did I at some point see and internalize and then unconsciously seek to reproduce this image, or is this just a case of a kind of strange artistic simultaneity of inspiration and aesthetics between two kindred creative imaginations? And then I realize it does not matter, because when I did it I was not intending to steal someone's work. Just because you "re-created" your teacher's idea doesn't mean it was not your idea and your work at the moment you conceived and executed it. Or so it seems to me. Ten artists could be set the task of a circle book and they would all be original creations, however alike they might seem. Ah, once again your post provokes limitless pondering!Gisizeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08842508709852026701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070917680632622858.post-35134683941925580322012-07-07T01:32:26.470+10:002012-07-07T01:32:26.470+10:00Fiona...quite a thought provoking Thursday Ponderi...Fiona...quite a thought provoking Thursday Pondering....I think of us as individuals kind of like links in a chain that connects past, present and future....so in a sense, we are all interlocking circles, bound to be influenced by each other in subtle and not-so-subtle ways. I think that the history of civilization moves forward in these ways....the things we see and experience are embedded and make themselves known in new ways as we make our work. I am in no way in favor of copying either....it's a lazy and easy way out and while one may be inspired by someone's work, we each need to move beyond and speak with our own voice. Thanks for this thoughtful post!Missouri Bend Paper Workshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18153989891514458384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070917680632622858.post-56160133776525811892012-07-06T16:16:56.557+10:002012-07-06T16:16:56.557+10:00I am rather inclined to agree with MT - who is to ...I am rather inclined to agree with MT - who is to say that an idea I have has not been thought of before - whether or not it has been acted upon, written down or created in some other way... <br />I don't commend copying - other than as a way to learn a technique or style. But exactly where does the fine line of 'making it your own' begin...<br />as you say, this is a topic that can be explored over and over.stregatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14573668708723922929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070917680632622858.post-91217965483833829262012-07-06T01:14:55.944+10:002012-07-06T01:14:55.944+10:00you have some very thought provoking comments here...you have some very thought provoking comments here about influences.. whether conscious or unconscious.. there is a fine line sometimes.. being influenced and copying.. taking an idea or technique and changing it to become your own.layershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10991288165260934778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070917680632622858.post-7999120530668994222012-07-05T22:49:24.351+10:002012-07-05T22:49:24.351+10:00I'm sure they are related. I like the spin rou...I'm sure they are related. I like the spin round from horizontals to verticals. Melodies and chords.......Very exciting to imagine how they might play. When I next have the fiddle out, I'll play both of these and let you know how they sound.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11878102599430407759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8070917680632622858.post-11667615301355898772012-07-05T21:54:22.268+10:002012-07-05T21:54:22.268+10:00As you say it is a topic that can be spoken about ...As you say it is a topic that can be spoken about for hours and I often wonder whether other artists idea rub off on me even though I have no recall of seeing it before. This really worries me! Like you I also like to think that we have original ideas. I can understand using something as a spring board to a new direction but blatant copying makes my blood boil.ArtPropelledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15853722164314994360noreply@blogger.com